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Read & Download Messy Grace 107 é ✷ [BOOKS] ✫ Messy Grace By Caleb Kaltenbach ❁ – Danpashley.co.uk Sometimes grace gets messyCaleb Kaltenbach was raised by LGBT parents marched in gay pride parades as a youngster and experienced firsthand the hatred and bitterness of some Christians toward his fami Sometimes grace gets messyCaleb KaSometimes grace gets messyCaleb Kaltenbach was raised by LGBT parents marched in gay pride parades as a youngster and experienced firsthand the hatred and bitterness of some Christians toward his familyBut then Caleb surprised everyone including himself by becoming a Christianand a. Straight off I could tell Mr Kaltenbach and I approach things very differently There is a looseness to his language that I can't tolerate on theological matters I like the noted Richard Rogers serve a precise God and it gives me hives to read people who don't though I readily acknowledge and lament that he's speaking in the Evangelical Vernacular By page 5 I was grimacing at his phraseology Particularly his use of messy and it's connection to grace and his insistence that there's a tension between grace and truth but I'll return to that in a bitThe first few chapters outline the problems between the perceived and sadly sometimes real destructive attitudes of Christians towards LGBT people and the perceived and sadly sometimes real combative stances and attitudes of LGBT people towards Christians Kaltenbach illustrated this with episodes from his own childhood and what he's seen in the pastorate Sadly he's too impressed with generalizing from his autobiography it's not a totally improper strategy but Kaltenbach doesn't bring in anything to buttress his arguments He also displays an over reliance on platitudes and catch phrases Worst of all he's good at using stereotypes and generalizations when calling for those he's stereotypinggeneralizing to stop stereotyping and using generalizations about LGBT people I admit I was thoroughly annoyed with him by the time I got to chapter 6 when he largely and temporarily put aside the anecdotes and actually got around to explaining the Scriptural view on the topic at hand by brief glances at various texts responses to critics and so on Could this chapter have been better His explanations less open to criticism by theological opponents Yes That said it was pretty good and a very good introduction to the ideas he offered his More Reading list at the end of the book contains much that would do a better job on this pointI have several reservations and problems with Kaltenbach doctrinally and theologically Actually despite freuent use of the word grace I'm not sure what he means by the term but I'm pretty sure it's not what the biblical writers mean by χαρις In a fallen world plagued by sin a term Kaltenbach avoids the favor of God the goodwill of God towards undeserving sinners because of Christ's work on their behalf my uick and dirty definition of grace will be messy it will be found in messy situations with messy people because there are no other kinds of people Calling grace messy is like saying it's undeserved There is no other kind Kaltenbach also spends a good deal of time talking about a tension between grace and truth and I don't see that where he locates it in the Scriptural witness or anywhere else In fact throughout the Old and New Testaments the two go hand in hand Both his dependence upon the Pericope Adulterae John 753 811 for his approach to those who differ from him and his indictment of Imprecatory Psalms make me worry about his view of scripture I can't help but wonder built on such an unstable foundation how much of Kaltenbach's arguments can standThat said from Chapter 6 on there is little I flat out disagreed with the differences ranged from minor uibbles to exceptions but he said nothing that I'd say was entirely wrong or baseless and I could appreciate what he said and where he was coming from Both his understanding of the biblical teaching on sex and the way that Christians should interact with think about and treat those with whom they disagree on sensitive issues is commendable and spot on As this is the point of the book however sloppily he goes about it I have to like thatIt's a good 101 book maybe a 080 but one should grab his More Reading list and work through it Champagne Butterfield's book would be the best to start with if you like the memoir aspect of this book If you're unfamiliar with the story see DeYoung's uotation of Packer here I received this book from the ever so nice people at Blogging for Books for this review

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PastorVery few issues in Christianity are as divisive as the acceptance of the LGBT community in the church As a pastor and as a person with beloved family members living a gay lifestyle Caleb had to face this issue with courage and grace Messy Grace shows us that Jesus’s command. Caleb Kaltenbach’s story of how he came to faith in Christ while being raised by two lesbian moms and a closet gay dad is fascinating in its own right The biblical teaching on homosexuality and the church that he weaves through the telling make this a must read for 21st century Christians grappling with current cultural norms of sexual identityThough Kaltenbach never strays from supporting what the Bible says about homosexuality he spends an entire chapter reviewing what both the Old and New Testaments say neither does he minimize the difficulty of living by its culturally unpopular position The word “messy” probably occurs than any other adjective in the book Again and again Kaltenbach reminds us that God's dealings with all us flawed sinful people is a messy business and a church’s grace filled response to people within the LGBT community will be no different “Messiness is what happens when you try to live out God’s perfect grace as a flawed person in a flawed world” – Kindle Location 212The book is easy to read Kaltenbach’s tone is one of a fellow traveler who is on the road to the same place as the reader The narrative and teaching parts are interspersed in such a way as to maintain the story’s pace and keep our interest In my opinion several aspects of Messy Grace make it an important book Kaltenbach’s uniue perspective of having grown up in and thus understanding of the LGBT community His mom and her partner routinely took him to parties marches and Gay Pride parades Both sets of parents were devastated when he “came out” as a Christian—an experience he likens to what LGBT folks experience when they come out to their families Kaltenbach’s exemplary treatment of his parents Even though he didn’t approve of their lifestyle he never broke off his relationship with them but instead loved and supported them through their ups and downs The pastoral perspective Kaltenbach brings to the issue As a pastor himself he makes a passionate and compassionate case for the church to welcome love and care for members of the LGBT community In this department he also challenges pastors and church leaders to think through their responses to twenty uestions that pose difficult but relevant scenarios Eg“Would you allow a same sex couple to attend your church”and“If a man who had a sex change to be a women started attending your church could that person attend your women’s ministry”and“What is the plan for the student ministry staff and volunteers when a teenager comes out or expresses same sex attraction” – Kindle Location 2365 2390 Messy Grace is moving and timely Kaltenbach’s insistence on supporting the truth of Scripture while maintaining a loving attitude toward LGBT individuals is an example of how the church can break down walls of denial isolationism verbal abuse hatred and fear—even though the process is guaranteed to be messyI received Messy Grace as a gift from Blogging for Books for the purpose of writing a review

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Messy GraceTo “love your neighbor as yourself” doesn’t have an exception clause for a gay “neighbor” or for that matter any other “neighbor” we might find it hard to relate to Jesus was able to love these people and yet still hold on to his beliefs So can you Even when it’s mes. This is a departure from my normal fiction fare but a book that I have been keen to read since I first knew it was going to be released Finding the balance between loving someone while still standing firm in God's truth has been the cause of dissent within my own extended family not just with same sex relationships but also with opposite sex relationships outside of marriage and so I was keen to see how someone in such a uniue position approached the issueCaleb Kaltenbach has two biological LGBT parents They divorced when he was two meaning he lived alternately with his mother and her lesbian partner Vera both very political and active in the LGBT community and his father who didn't reveal his LGBT status to Caleb until he was out of collegeIt should be noted that this book is not a discussion of what the Bible says about homosexuality There is a chapter in which the author discusses the Bible's teaching on the subject and explains why these passages cannot be reinterpreted as liberal theologians have tried to do but the book's focus is much on the need to demonstrate love not hate to those in the LGBT community The first half of the book focuses on the 'not hating' part of the euation including memories from Caleb's childhood of the way Christians behaved towards his mother and her partner The need to show love not hate has never really been in issue with me and so this part was not really instructive so much as reinforcing what I already knew It did give me some insight into why relations are often so strained between Christians and the LGBT communityThe latter half of the book turns to what the author describes as the 'tension between grace and truth' While the author defines this tension as 'love' he also tends to use the words 'love' and 'grace' interchangeably and I would have liked to have seen this clearly defined In the end it doesn't alter the message he hopes to convey We cannot compromise on God's word but neither should we give up on a relationship simply because we don't approve of what they are doing or how they are livingThe author also shares his thoughts on what to say or not say if someone tells you they are gay as well as his thoughts on how those who are attracted to the same sex can honour God through celibacy or even in some cases heterosexual marriage not that there is any other kind I use the adjective here simply to make sure there is no misunderstanding He also encourages Christians to actively seek to build relationships with those in the LGBT community a suggestion that unleashes another whole book's worth of uestions in my mind particularly when he talks about mixing with the community in their own setting In the end I feel as though I was given plenty of 'what' show love hold fast to truth but not so much 'how' Maybe I had unrealistic expectations After all every person's 'how' will depend on the situation they are in The author also freely admits that it can be especially difficult when a LGBT person in your life essentially says If you don't approve leave me alone As a follower of Christ the truth wins regardless of the cost to your relationship with that person But he does encourage readers not to give up on that relationship be patient and persistent open for reconciliation And prayThis is definitely a worthwhile contribution to the ongoing conversation on this topic and as a testimony of one man's experience it encourages Christians to walk that difficult line where love and truth intersect I just couldn't help wishing there was a little here to help me find where that line lies There are discussion uestions at the end of each chapter which would make this an ideal book for study or reading groups wanting to explore the topicI received a copy of this book from Blogging for Books in return for my honest review